| mrout | Who likes freedom? |
| mrout | FREEDOM |
| rindolf | mrout: freedom++ |
| Younos | just give me my beer |
| rindolf | Younos: heh. |
| rindolf | No beer for you! |
| Younos | aww :o( |
| mrout | I’m in non-freedom mode atm actually, using Windoze |
| mrout | for the gamez |
| rindolf | mrout: OK. |
| mrout | but when I restart into Linux I respect the freedoms of myself and others |
| rindolf | mrout: OK. |
| Younos | you should respect it regardless of the platform |
| rindolf | mrout: maybe try reporting it as a bug in WINE/etc. |
| rindolf | mrout: the GNU project encourages FOSS developers to port their software to non-free platforms. |
| rindolf | Though there was a small backlash about it (at least for Windows) a while ago. |
| alfplayer | encourages? |
| mrout | rindolf: I sure hope it does. if we can encourage users to try FOSS software on non-free platforms, they might more easily learn about FOSS and about how to protect their freedoms |
| rindolf | http://fc-solve.shlomifish.org/download.html - I provide a Windows binary for this. :-) |
| mrout | Many users don’t even know they can get software that respects their freedoms. |
| rindolf | alfplayer: well, don't know if encourage, but it doesn't hold a stand against it. |
| rindolf | alfplayer: and a lot of GNU software can be built fine on Windows (And proprietary UNIXes). |
| alfplayer | rindolf: that's very different imo |
| alfplayer | rindolf: yes, like gcc and emacs |
| mrout | btw is rms ever on here? He gave a talk at my local university a few years ago, and I never got a chance to talk to him. |
| rindolf | http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/fortunes/show.cgi?id=should-perl-drop-sco-support - also see this. |
| mrout | LOL |
| rindolf | mrout: I don't think he uses IRC. |
| rindolf | mrout: he also doesn't use a graphical web browser. |
| rindolf | mrout: though he does read the web sometimes. |
| mrout | rindolf: i haven’t installed X yet, so neither do I. haha |
| rindolf | He commented on a few pages on my site. |
| rindolf | When he visited Israel, I told RMS that I felt making Freecell Solver Public Domain (now it's MIT/X11L) was appropriate given its target audience, and he said he thought making it GPLed would encourage more users of programs that used it to make them FOSS. |
| rindolf | He also said it was OK that freshmeat.net (now freecode.com) did not release their backend as free software. |
| rindolf | mrout: ah. |
| mrout | freecode.com? |
| rindolf | mrout: well, I think he doesn't even use links or lynx or Emacs' www-mode. |
| rindolf | mrout: yes. |
| rindolf | mrout: they changed their name and domain. |
| mrout | who are they? NEVER heard of them |
| rindolf | mrout: http://freecode.com/ - it's a nice way to discover some interesting software. |
| rindolf | mrout: they are a web-directory for UNIX software. |
| mrout | do they host it? |
| rindolf | mrout: no. |
| mrout | quite unlike something like github, then? |
| rindolf | mrout: just link to it. |
| mrout | cool |
| mrout | will try to remember that |
| rindolf | mrout: also see http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Freecell-Solver/slides/freshmeat_effect.html |
| rindolf | mrout: not everything there is FOSS. |
| mtjm | http://stallman.org/stallman-computing.html explains his Web use |
| rindolf | mrout: and not everything is there. |
| rindolf | mrout: but I try to publicise most of my major software there. |
| mtjm | IRC would need a constant network access which is difficult when travelling (and needs much more time than batch mail writing) |
| rindolf | Well, most of the software published there is either niche or quite boring. |
| mrout | rindolf: Freecell Solver on freecode is the first result |
| rindolf | mrout: for what? |
| mrout | that google search |
| mrout | I fail to see a problem |
| rindolf | mrout: well, thing is there are other Freecell solvers. |
| rindolf | mrout: and what I said is that I clog the search. |
| mrout | Oh, I see what you mean |
| mrout | that’s a good thing for you, though |
| rindolf | mrout: lots of junk like FreeBSD/Debian/Ubuntu/Mandriva/Mageia packages. |
| rindolf | mrout: that's what I call the freshmeat effect. |
| rindolf | I get http://fc-solve.shlomifish.org/ as the first hit. :-( |
| rindolf | Damn bubbling. |
| rindolf | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=freecell%20solver - here (no bubbling) I get the wikipedia Freecell page as a first hit. |
| mrout | rindolf: bubbling? |
| rindolf | mrout: http://dontbubble.us/ |
| mrout | I get NZ results |
| mrout | hahaha |
| rindolf | mrout: NZ? |
| mrout | rindolf: where are you from? |
| rindolf | mrout: Israel. |
| mrout | New Zealand. |
| rindolf | mrout: but shlomifish.org is hosted in hostgator.com . |
| rindolf | I used to host it in a small Israeli hosting provider but they were too unreliable. |
| mrout | I asked, because i expected it to be US, and so I’d say “I know what US stands for, but you don’t know what NZ stands for? Shame on you.” |
| rindolf | mrout: I know that .nz is New Zealand. |
| rindolf | mrout: but didn't understand the initialism in the context. |
| rindolf | mrout: some Americans think .il is Illinois. |
| rindolf | And .ca is California. |
| rindolf | Well, there's also .la. |
| mrout | ahh |
| rindolf | And .tv. |
| mrout | haha |
| mrout | tv? that must be for Tajikistan. >.> |
| rindolf | mrout: no. |
| rindolf | mrout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.tv |
| mrout | joke |
| mrout | that was a joke |
| mrout | I know it’s not for television stuff, LOL |
| rindolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuvalu |
| rindolf | mrout: OK. |
| rindolf | .tk domains are free. |
| mrout | yeah |
| mrout | Woo tokelau |
| * rindolf | wonders if there is .fs. |
| rindolf | There should be a country called .if so I can register shlom.if |
| rindolf | Someone registered shlomifi.sh. ;-) |
| rindolf | Not me, though. |
| rindolf | https://www.google.com/search?q=.lf - no .lf either. |
| rindolf | We need more countries. |
| mrout | I wish there was a .ut |
| mrout | so I could get mro.ut |
| rindolf | mrout: ah. |
| rindolf | Well, I can register shlomif.name. |
| mrout | I already have rout.co.nz (that’s my dad’s actually) and rout.geek.nz (mine) |
| rindolf | mrout: ah. |
| rindolf | Are top-level .nz domains available? |
| rindolf | like rout.nz |
| mrout | you can’t get milesroutisawesome.nz, no |
| rindolf | Ah. |
| mrout | or rout.nz >.> |
| rindolf | OK. |
| rindolf | .il domains are kinda costly and they used to require faxing. |
| rindolf | And I don't feel my domains are particularly Israeli-related. |
| mrout | ahh |
| rindolf | Well, I originally got shlomif.il.eu.org. |
| rindolf | But its DNS was flaky. |
| mrout | .eu.org? |
| rindolf | So I ended up buying shlomifish.org |
| mrout | what’s your actual name? |
| rindolf | Now I also have shlomifish.com |
| rindolf | mrout: Shlomi Fish. |
| mrout | Ahh |
| rindolf | mrout: eu.org is free DNS. |
| mrout | ? |
| rindolf | But I guess you get what you pay for sometimes. |
| rindolf | mrout: it's not .eu (European union). |
| rindolf | mrout: http://eu.org/ |
| mrout | that site’s odd |
| mrout | what’s wrong with .eu |
| mrout | shit a brick, they want a separate ccTLD for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Martin_(France) |
| rindolf | mrout: nothing is wrong with .eu - it's just that eu.org is something different. |
| rindolf | eu.org predates .eu. |
| mrout | ahh |
| mrout | it annoys me that the US doesn’t use .us more |
| mrout | and clutters .com |
| rindolf | Well, there's also .gov, .net, .org... |
| rindolf | .mil |
| rindolf | .navy |
| mrout | exactly |
| rindolf | mrout: I also have http://shlom.in/ |
| mrout | it’s pretty americo-centric |
| rindolf | Could not get http://shlom.fi/ because my domain registrar did not have it. |
| rindolf | shlom.in is my own custom (and private) URL shortener. |
| rindolf | Some overzealous spam filters blocked it. |
| rindolf | Ah, domains. |
| rindolf | The bread and butter of Internet conversations. |
| mrout | LOL |
| rindolf | I know someone who has http://ali.as/ |
| rindolf | Well, from the Internet. |
| rindolf | And there's also cr.yp.to which is Dan Bernstein. |
| rindolf | DJB. |
| mrout | domains, vim vs emacs and hello_there vs helloThere. |
| mrout | cr.yp.to is cool |
| rindolf | mrout: and tabs vs. spaces. |
| mrout | but hard to type |
| mrout | eugh |
| mrout | cr.yp.to is hard to type |
| mrout | spaces, vim, hello_there or HelloThere, but never helloThere. |
| rindolf | Since I have http://perl-begin.org/ and want to create a site for Vim beginners, I should get a good domain. |
| rindolf | vim.perl-begin.org or vim.shlomifish.org does not look good. |
| mrout | vimschlomfish |
| mrout | LOL |
| mrout | shlom |
| mrout | vimshlomfish |
| mrout | what about vim-begin.org? |
| rindolf | mrout: maybe I'll get tech-begin.org |
| rindolf | I think begin.org is already taken. |
| mrout | yea |
| mrout | by one of those shitty domain hoggers |
| rindolf | Heh. begin.tel is available. \o/ |
| mrout | i’d love mil.es |
| rindolf | Not that I want it. |
| mrout | begin.tel? |
| mrout | begintel? |
| mrout | $17/yr for mil.es |
| mrout | YES FUCK YES |
| rindolf | OK, I registered begin-site.org and begin-site.com |
| rindolf | On https://www.domainsite.com/ . |
| rindolf | I figured most people won't "guess" begin-site.net... ;-) |
| mrout | nice |
| rindolf | So I'll have http://vim.begin-site.com/ and http://vim.begin-site.org/ |
| mrout | what about rindolf.com |
| mrout | begin-site seems a bit clunky |
| rindolf | mrout: rindolf is only my IRC nickname. |
| mrout | still |
| rindolf | mrout: and I already have www.shlomifish.org |
| rindolf | mrout: I don't see why most people will STFW for "rindolf" or "shlomi fish" or whatever. |
| rindolf | Most of the people come to my site using more generic searches. |
| rindolf | https://duckduckgo.com/?q=fountainhead%20parody - first hit ! |
| mrout | STFW? |
| rindolf | mrout: search the fab web. |
| rindolf | Like RTFM. |
| rindolf | Using Google, Duck Duck go, Bing or whatever. |
| mrout | fucking web, I assume |
| rindolf | mrout: true. |
| rindolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Shlomif/Freecell_Solver - this was deleted because it was not notable enough. F****king deletionists. |
| mrout | they deleted your user page? |
| rindolf | mrout: no, only /wiki/Freecell_Solver |
| mrout | oh |
| rindolf | mrout: access the link - it's there. |
| rindolf | Just not visible on default searches. |
| mrout | “lacks references showing notability” you mean apart from the fact it’s the top google result for Freecell Solver? FUUUUU wikipedians |
| rindolf | I restored it before it was deleted. |
| rindolf | mrout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker%27s_Dozen_%28solitaire%29 - some people on #wikipedia (or #wikipedia-en) told me this may not be notable. |
| rindolf | There are a zillion pages about it. |
| rindolf | And Wikipedia covers almost any other Solitaire variant. |
| mrout | LOL, fucking wikipedia |
| rindolf | Yes. |
| mrout | articles about every steeple in Italy, but not about ever solitaire variant |
| mrout | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baker%27s_Dozen_%28solitaire%29#Solvers |
| rindolf | mrout: also about football players. |
| mrout | your article should be restored |
| rindolf | mrout: yes, maybe. |
| mrout | I’d almost be convinced to do it myself |
| rindolf | mrout: are you a wikipedian? |
| mrout | sort of |
| mrout | I have an account |
| rindolf | mrout: well, I added the [[Freecell Solver]] link. |
| rindolf | Hoping someone will fill it in. |
| rindolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeCell#Solvers - there is a cursory mention of it there. |
| mrout | mmm |
| rindolf | mrout: this section was deleted previously because it was not "Encyclopedic enough." |
| rindolf | mrout: that Wikipedian had tons of complaints against him on his user talk page. |
| rindolf | mrout: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Christiansen - this used to be about the Perl developer (and co-author of several books). |
| rindolf | Now it's about an olympic athelete. |
| rindolf | Well, I added that page, and people enhanced it, but then it was deleted. :-( |
| mrout | not even an olympic athelete |
| rindolf | mrout: ah, yes, just world competition. |
| mrout | didn’t even place |
| mrout | compared to an author and developer of one of the most popular programming languages |
| mrout | :/ |
| rindolf | Yes. |
| rindolf | Oh well, Wikipedia. |
| rindolf | The worst encyclopedia in the world except for all others. |
| galex-713 | ? |
| mrout | hahaha |
| mrout | yeah |
| * galex-713 | slaps mrout |
| galex-713 | Wikipedia is perfect! |
| * galex-713 | hides |
| mrout | hardly |