| designerjean | http://scsys.co.uk:8002/87521 |
| designerjean | i know I'm not supposed to be using XML::Simple |
| designerjean | but it's only one statement in the program |
| rindolf | designerjean: is it causing problems? |
| mst | yes, and it's the one that makes the $config you can't work out how to use |
| designerjean | maybe |
| rindolf | mst: :-) |
| mst | your exact problem is "unable to use the results of XML::Simple" |
| mst | because you're stupid and XML::Simple is shit |
| mst | please switch to XML::Twig |
| designerjean | ok thanks |
| dhoss | people still use xml? |
| rindolf | dhoss: it's a dirty job, but it pays. |
| dhoss | i guess there's that |
| designerjean | another case of stupid youth |
| dhoss | designerjean: how old are you |
| rindolf | dhoss: well, I'm using XML for some stuff willingly. |
| rindolf | dhoss: JSON wouldn't have been usable. |
| dhoss | rindolf: i guess that's a legit reason |
| rindolf | Because I use them for text and stuff like that. |
| rindolf | And it's hard to do something like <p>Hello <b>dhoss</b>!</p> in JSON. |
| rokoteko | I think its mainly amongst web programmers where JSON is appreciated the most. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: JSON has many valid uses. |
| DuClare | XML has none |
| LeoNerd | XML is for putting attribute markup within a stream of text. |
| dhoss | rindolf: yea i can see that. JSON is more useful in a cross language barrier bit where markup isn't needed |
| LeoNerd | (mostly because it came out of SGML) |
| rindolf | DuClare: not true. |
| rokoteko | XML is very widely used. that's like saying "I don't need to know Java, because the language sucks" .. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: you're mixing semantics with style here anyways. that would be bad xml. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: I was giving an illustrative example. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: then give a proper one. that was exactly how NOT to XML. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: besides , I think that <b> has some valid, semantic meaning. |
| rindolf | And it's also shorter than <strong></strong> |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: ok. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf: no. bold doesn't mean "be bold and courageous here". it means "print this shit in bold typeface" |
| rindolf | <p>Hello <name>Su-Shee</name>!</p> |
| rindolf | XML is useful for wrapping and annotating text. |
| Dorward | XML is only useful for wrapping and annotating text if you use a properly designed application of XML and everyone reading the document agrees on what the meaning is. |
| rokoteko | XTML vs XDML could derive from XML. (text and data respectively). then of course you should be able to embed XDML in XTML. |
| rokoteko | oh wait. I'm thinking aloud. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: I've recently played with an XML-specific compression tool. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: it achieved better compression than xz -9 --extreme but OTOH mishandled some «"» not inside attributes - converting them to " |
| rokoteko | rindolf: what requirements are you trying to meet by compressing xml? |
| PerlJam | smaller XML docs :) |
| rindolf | rokoteko: well, to reduce the size. |
| rokoteko | well, doh. but why? |
| rindolf | rokoteko: like over the Net, etc. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: it's like gzip compression/decompression. |
| rokoteko | rindolf: I yet fail to see the point. :( |
| rindolf | Only domain-specific. |
| rokoteko | why? |
| rindolf | And if you have a lot of it it occupies less on the hard disk. |
| rokoteko | Ah. you have like SHITLOADS of XML ? |
| rindolf | It could happen. |
| rindolf | Java... |
| PerlJam | anyone who deals with XML probably has that much ;) |
| rokoteko | Well, disk is pretty cheap. |
| rindolf | I don't have too much XML. |
| rindolf | Well, maybe a lot of XHTML. |
| rokoteko | I was just curious about rindolf's use case. |
| rokoteko | I was afraid that he was storing some binary data in XML. :) |
| mst | I think he was just experimenting with technology |
| rindolf | Yes, I probably have more disk wasted on .mp3's and .flv's. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: I have some interest in compression methods. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: back from high school. |
| rokoteko | rindolf: :) |
| Su-Shee | if you're the company who's transferring 120 years of documents of a car company into something flexible - THEN you have a shitload of XML. |
| rindolf | There have been some recent advancements. |
| rokoteko | So just out of curiosity, that's fine with me. :) I'm just nosy sometimes. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: I think the wikipedia XML dump is pretty large. |
| mst | I find it's usually safe to assume that whatever rindolf's doing, there isn't a good reason for it. |
| rindolf | rokoteko: there was some stuff about processing it quickly using Perl, etc. |
| rindolf | mst: :-) |
| rindolf | mst++ # Nice burn. |
| Su-Shee | popcorn anyone? ;) |
| rindolf | mst: but it has a huge grain of truth in it I admit. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: microwave popcorn? |
| Su-Shee | I don't have a microwave and I was being sarcastic... |
| Su-Shee | I need a smiley for that. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: ah. |
| Su-Shee | rindolf-shaped, obviously. |
| rindolf | Su-Shee: yes, I was playing along. |
| petn-randall | why not an XML-conform </sarcasm> ? |
| * rindolf | prepares some popcorn and shares it with Su-Shee using the Popcorn-over-IRC protocol. |
| DrForr | What's this about burnt popcorn? |
| rindolf | Popcorn-over-IRC also preserves the butter taste. |
| burnedcelery | you're getting my keyboard all greasy |
| apeiron | ew, butter |
| rindolf | And it also supports multicasting popcorn. |
| PerlJam | butter++ |
| PerlJam | though not so much butter that it makes the popcorn soggy. I hate that. |