From chen@mercury.co.il Tue Jul 30 05:57:02 2002 Return-Path: X-Sender: chen@mercury.co.il X-Apparently-To: hackers-il@yahoogroups.com Received: (EGP: mail-8_0_7_4); 30 Jul 2002 12:57:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 74757 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2002 12:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (66.218.66.217) by m7.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 30 Jul 2002 12:57:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO mx.mercury.co.il) (212.199.66.116) by mta2.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2002 12:57:00 -0000 Received: from exchil04.mercury.co.il (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx.mercury.co.il (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g6UCuCj24817 for ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:56:12 +0300 Received: by exchil04.mercury.co.il with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:55:54 +0200 Message-ID: To: "'hackers-il@yahoogroups.com'" Subject: RE: [hackers-il] Re: Hacktivity: An Automatic Win32 Building Scri pt for Freecell Solver Date: Tue, 30 Jul 2002 15:52:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Chen Shapira X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=30494592 X-Yahoo-Profile: shenkaisr > You still have to download and install it. So chances are it won't be > inscluded in a typical winzip installation. And if extra download is > needed, why not go for zip/unzip? > > (yes: winzip may have some nice features, but those seem > unrelevant here, > or at least: not worth the price) I think I got the command-line interface with winzip (8.0). In any case, it really doesn't matter. Winzip itself may not exist on all windows systems, and curl won't be there either... Its much easier to automate your own windows machine, than someone elses. Several important things that are missing from typical windows installations: 1. Cron. The windows scheduler is similar to at, which isn't nearly enough. 2. wget. We don't even have a sucky replacement. 3. zip/unzip 4. sed, awk, cp... Our images contain something called Mks32, which gives us most of the unix tools we need. These things should really be standard for any server class OS. Just to clarify things: I didn't say that windows is stable and easy to admin out of the box. I just say that if you ever discover that you have no choice but to admin 400 windows machines with 100% uptime, don't despair. It is possible. Thanks, Chen.