| SillyMusings | How much money can I expect to make as a developer out of college? |
| quelqun_dautre | SillyMusings: 0$. Tax deduced. |
| rindolf | quelqun_dautre: well, that's a lower bound. |
| rindolf | SillyMusings: the correct answer is that it varies based on several parameters. |
| SillyMusings | rindolf, what are the parameters? |
| quelqun_dautre | what you know, what framework you can use, how good you are in an interview, where you are |
| rindolf | SillyMusings: 1. Where are you located. 2. Which languages do you know. 3. where you'll get hired. |
| SillyMusings | I know Javascript and Java |
| quelqun_dautre | where are you located ? |
| rindolf | SillyMusings: it's spelled "JavaScript" - not "Javascript" |
| SillyMusings | I am located in Oregon |
| little_bit | how much money you'll make is not a function of any of those inputs. |
| quelqun_dautre | and how good are you at Java[script] ? |
| little_bit | sad to say it's barely a function at all. predictability in terms of actual earnings is impossible these days. |
| SillyMusings | I'd say I'm okay at it |
| rindolf | quelqun_dautre: Java and JavaScript are two completely different things. |
| little_bit | if you want some examples, look at GlassDoor. |
| SillyMusings | What sort of range am I looking at? |
| little_bit | SillyMusings: GlassDoor. |
| quelqun_dautre | rindolf: I know. |
| little_bit | SillyMusings: anything from us will be an incomplete picture. |
| little_bit | SillyMusings: so draw from multiple sources. |
| SillyMusings | If I'm fresh out of college, am I a 'junior developer'? |
| little_bit | probably. god knows what you'll be placed into. |
| quelqun_dautre | SillyMusings: what is "okay" on your terms ? Do you know the play framework ? J2EE ? |
| little_bit | SillyMusings: I certainly hope you aren't expecting a lot of money. |
| SillyMusings | quelqun_dautre, no I'm stronger on the JS side |
| pilne | Java and javascript are often used in the same "completed" project these days, but they are completely different beasts for better or worse |
| SillyMusings | little_bit, glassdoor says average of 103k? |
| rindolf | quelqun_dautre: http://stackoverflow.com/a/245073 - case in point. ;-) |
| little_bit | SillyMusings: for what position? |
| little_bit | and where? |
| pilne | javascript is relatively strong right now due to node.js, it isn't ideal for *everything* but it can do a lot |
| * rindolf | thinks serving Java web applets from a Node.js service is bestest |
| TubbyTommy | JavaScript is relatively strong on it's own because they keep making it better, its not ever finished really |
| SillyMusings | yes I've been following es6 stuff |
| pilne | erm... rindolf? |
| rindolf | pilne: that was a joke! Relax! |
| pilne | yeah, but it is starting to add cruft |
| quelqun_dautre | SillyMusings: what do you know in JS ? What library can you use ? Ever used functional programming ? Do you know what a closure is ? |
| pilne | LOL i would hope so rindolf, that isn't impossible, i just can't see why you'd do it other than being a code-massochist |
| little_bit | SillyMusings: I'm going to assume you're fresh out of college, so let me make this clear: you're not getting those jobs. |
| rindolf | pilne: use the wrong tool for the job! ;-) |