If you like this site, I would appreciate a gift from my wishlist.
Freenode ##programming Conversations - (Fortunes Cookies) Shlomi Fish's Collection
The Freenode ##programming Fortunes collection
The Fortunes Themselves
.om
rindolf | ljuwaidah: so aren't there more people who use FOSS in Oman? |
ljuwaidah | there are, but they're only a few |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: ah. |
rindolf | Oman has .om as its TLD. |
rindolf | .om .nom .nom |
rindolf | p.om p.om |
rindolf | kabo.om |
rindolf | DJB got the cr.yp.to domain. |
rindolf | And there's also ali.as which is Adam Kennedy's. |
ljuwaidah | looool |
ljuwaidah | rand.om :P |
ljuwaidah | do.om :P |
ljuwaidah | ro.om |
ljuwaidah | m.om |
Black_Phoenix | your.m.om |
ljuwaidah | hahahaha |
ljuwaidah | is that supposed to be a milf site? :P |
rindolf | yahoo.c.om |
ljuwaidah | bro.om |
rindolf | http://yourmom.com/ |
rindolf | Though it's down now. |
ljuwaidah | don't keep your hopes up on .om domains |
ljuwaidah | our ISP is a greedy money sucker |
rindolf | "I'd rather be a .com than a .om" |
ljuwaidah | rindolf: me too |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: this was a joke. |
rindolf | I have a few .org domains. |
rindolf | From GoDaddy |
ljuwaidah | unless you need it for a domain trick |
* Black_Phoenix | <--- .com bastard here |
ljuwaidah | rindolf: where's the joke? |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: joke? |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: it rhymes. |
rindolf | dot-com, dot-om - get it? get it? get it? |
rindolf | ;-) |
ljuwaidah | no :( |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: om rhymes with com. |
ljuwaidah | so? |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: "I'd rather be a dot-com than a dot-om" |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: it's just a silly rhyme. |
Black_Phoenix | I'd rather a website |
rindolf | Black_Phoenix: I accidentally a web-site. |
ljuwaidah | I still don't get the joke |
Black_Phoenix | rindolf, I'd still rather a blog |
rindolf | Black_Phoenix: rather what a blog? |
Black_Phoenix | Website a blog |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: never mind. |
ljuwaidah | sorry, I don't know why I'm slow today |
rindolf | Black_Phoenix: do you mean that you would rather *be* a web-site? |
Black_Phoenix | I'd rather website a blog |
Black_Phoenix | broken grammar time :D |
ljuwaidah | Black_Phoenix: when did website become a verb? |
Black_Phoenix | it didn't |
Black_Phoenix | I'm using it as a verb to produce nonsense |
ljuwaidah | I sense light! |
ljuwaidah | {I see} |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: http://www.google.com.om/ |
ljuwaidah | rindolf: I know |
rindolf | If Google can do it - so can you. |
ljuwaidah | I don't use it |
ljuwaidah | 'cause some services don't work on it |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: ah. |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: in any case, seems like one can register a .com.om domain. |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | The .om domain |
With what to write code?
Quetzalcoatl_ | How do I write a computer vision program in C on a microcontroller? |
dyf | Quetzalcoatl_: with a text editor? |
Quetzalcoatl_ | Hmm.. Never thought of that. But which editor? Is Notepad good enough? |
mauke | no, you need at least Wordpad |
rindolf | mauke: I suggest MS Word or at least OpenOffice.org |
rindolf | mauke: but in order to really be able to write well, you need a desktop publishing program like Scribus or Adobe FrameMaker. |
* rindolf | wonders which compiler will accept PDFs as input. |
waiting | rindolf: /usr/bin/pdftotext |
rindolf | waiting: and pray. |
rindolf | There's an estoric programming language called Piet (I think) that accepts images as input. |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | How to write stylistic code |
Your Emacs is so fat
rindolf | Deiu: which editor are you using? |
Deiu | Ugh, let me catch up with the convo first |
Deiu | And yeah, I use vim too |
rindolf | Deiu: ah good. If you were using Eight Megabytes And Continuously Swapping , I would have to swap you with it! |
rindolf | I have a column of vim tips on one of my blogs. |
rindolf | I also like Escape-Meta-Alt-Control-Shift. |
rindolf | There are a lot of jokes about Emacs. |
Zuu | There are lots of jokes about your mom too ;) |
rindolf | Zuu: eMom |
Zuu | eh? |
rindolf | e-Macs -> eMum |
rindolf | "Your Mom is so fat, only Emacs takes more memory than her." |
Zuu | nope, doesnt work |
rindolf | Zuu: :-( |
Zuu | Your emacs is so fat that your mom could fit in it |
rindolf | Heh. |
Zuu | ahhh, yes, much better |
rindolf | Zuu++ |
Zuu | :P |
→dbm | has joined ##programming |
* rindolf | stores some key/value pairs in dbm |
* Zuu | stores some moms in dbm |
dbm | lol |
rindolf | Zuu: you overflowed him. |
Zuu | :> |
dbm | ;) |
rindolf | Or her, don't know. |
rindolf | them. |
dbm | 'him' |
rindolf | OK. |
rindolf | dbm: I don't recall your nick. |
dbm | dbm= dont bother me |
rindolf | don't be mean. |
dbm | ;) |
Zuu | or: do bother me |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Your Emacs is so fat |
Why XSLT is so evil?
→xmler | has joined ##programming |
xmler | Hi |
xmler | How can I do <a href="$variable">blah</a> in XSLT? |
rindolf | xmler: you can use <xsl:attribute> |
rindolf | xmler: or use ${...} |
rindolf | xmler: have you read the Zvon XSLT tutorial? |
xmler | rindolf: I've read various resources; perhaps it's the fault of XML::XSLT on CPAN |
rindolf | xmler: use XML::LibXSLT instead. |
rindolf | It's faster and better. |
Zuu | <insert mean statement about XSLT> |
Zuu | :) |
rindolf | "XSLT is the work of Satan" |
rindolf | "It's the worst thing since non-sliced bread." |
Zuu | Hahaha :D |
rindolf | "Mothers used to tell their children about XSLT to scare them." |
xmler | Haha |
Zuu | That last one is good |
xmler | XSLT seems pretty cool |
Zuu | xmler, no no, that's not mean |
Zuu | you're doing it wrong |
Zuu | :P |
xmler | XSLT is too cool to be mean to :p |
Zuu | Hehe |
rindolf | "XSLT is the number one cause of programmers' suicides since Visual Basic 1.0" |
tommy_the-dragon | lol |
Zuu | :> |
Zuu | I could believe in that |
rindolf | "The X in XSLT stands for eXtermination." |
rindolf | "XSLT makes the baby jesus cry." |
rindolf | "The only things worse than XSLT are Excel and sugarless tea." |
tommy_the-dragon | rofl |
* Zuu | kinda likes Excel |
rindolf | Zuu: yes, it was a joke. |
Zuu | Noooh! |
Zuu | they are all true! |
rindolf | Now I'm out of ideas. |
Zuu | i havent even had a single idea yet.. |
rindolf | "XSLT is what Chuck Norris has nightmares of." |
Zuu | Whoah! |
Zuu | wait.. that would somehow make XSLT cooler than Chuck Norris... |
Zuu | Chuck Norris dont have mightmares |
rindolf | "Confucius e says: 'XSLT made me realise humanity was hopeless." |
Zuu | "Even APL wont make friends with XSLT" |
Zuu | yay, i maded one! |
rindolf | "God considered using XSLT as the tenth plague of Egypt, but thought it was too evil." |
rindolf | Zuu: :-) |
Zuu | Haha :D |
Zuu | that plauge one is awesome |
rindolf | "In Soviet Russia, XSLT codes you. Badly!" |
rindolf | "Satan condemned Hitler for a million years of writing XSLT" |
rindolf | OK, back to work. |
rindolf | C - not XSLt. |
Zuu | :) |
rindolf | "The KGB used to torture their victims by having them look at scrolling XSLT code" |
xmler | rindolf: lol, love the KGB + XSLT one |
xmler | rindolf: by the way, what's with the XSLT hate by the way, is it some kind of meme? :p |
* Zuu | gives xmler an XSLT interpreter written in XSLT |
Jck_true | I wanna make ASM code from XSLT |
rindolf | "My name is Inigo Montoya. You forced my father to write XSLT. Prepare to die! And be thankful I don't force you to write XSLT." |
xmler | Ah for gawd's sake. Can't install XML::LibXML, it says I don't have libxml2 (I do) |
rindolf | xmler: do you have the -devel package? |
rindolf | xmler: what is your distro? |
rindolf | OS distro I mean. |
xmler | rindolf: Debian 4.0 |
xmler | Ooh, perhaps I don't actually |
rindolf | xmler: ok, then apt-get install libxml-libxslt-perl |
* Zuu | have to go o/ |
rindolf | xmler: maybe we should discuss it on #perl? |
rindolf | Zuu: bye |
rindolf | Zuu: and beware of stray XSLT code. |
Zuu | I will :P |
rindolf | Zuu: OK. |
xmler | rindolf: sure, uno memento :) |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Chuck Norris is out! XSLT is in! |
Introducing dazjorz to Zuu
dazjorz | rindolf! |
dazjorz | areth thou here? |
rindolf | Hi dazjorz |
dazjorz | :) |
rindolf | dazjorz: yes, I are here. |
dazjorz | isn't it kind of weird to have a programming channel when there are language specific channels around? |
Zuu | Muhah! |
rindolf | dazjorz: this is about programming in general. |
rindolf | At least theoretically. |
rindolf | And VB.NET questions. |
joeyadams | Well, ##programming is a good place to ask C questions and actually get helpful answers :) |
dazjorz | rindolf: did you intentionally make it look like vb.net is not programming? |
rindolf | dazjorz: meet Zuu - he's into Windows and D and stuff. |
dazjorz | ! |
rindolf | dazjorz: no. |
rindolf | dazjorz: VB.NET is programming. |
dazjorz | hey Zuu, I'm dazjorz, I'm into linux and c and stuff. |
rindolf | But it has its own channel. |
Zuu | :> |
dazjorz | rindolf: I've been thinking about changing nicks |
rindolf | dazjorz: ah. so did I. |
* Zuu | is into everything sane, except the boring stuff |
rindolf | dazjorz: to what? |
dazjorz | rindolf: my current one is waaaay too lame, but "sjors" is probably too generic |
rindolf | dazjorz: I like dazjorz |
dazjorz | rindolf: I don't, because when people see my name is sjors, da zjorz is just too lame to bear |
dazjorz | rindolf: I was thinking about sjors, or some three-letter abbreviation of my name, sjg or so |
Zuu | how about.... 'carrot' ? |
dazjorz | I think I do prefer dazjorz over carrot |
Zuu | no worries, i promise not to stuff you up rindolf's tomato nose |
Zuu | hum :< |
dazjorz | Zuu: when I first read your nick on Shlomi's site five minutes ago, I asked him whether you were a mix between Zorix and Buu |
dazjorz | do you know the two? |
rindolf | Zoffix and buu. |
Zuu | nope |
dazjorz | uh zoffix yeah |
dazjorz | Zuu: okay, well, you don't know them, but believe me, I'm glad you're not a mix of the two, that would be horrible :P |
Zuu | im a mix of much worse personalities im sure |
Zuu | most of them just happen to cancel each other out |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Introudcing dazjorz to Zuu |
Reindeers, Tomatoes and Nicks
rindolf | dazjorz: I considered switching my default nick to "shlomif", because that's how most people know me. |
dazjorz | rindolf: yeah, it's your alternative nick now right? |
rindolf | dazjorz: but then XChat2 reverted to the old nick and I was too lazy. |
unreal | You seem to have many, well, stupid friends, rindolf :P |
rindolf | dazjorz: yes, I have it registered. |
rindolf | unreal: stupid? |
Zuu | rindolf, noo! what to do about the tomato then? fish dont have big tomato noses! |
rindolf | Zuu: fish? |
rindolf | Zuu: I'll give you a tomoato. |
Zuu | good question |
rindolf | I'll give you the tomato back. |
Zuu | where do i get fish from |
Zuu | no no, keep it :D |
rindolf | Zuu: my last name is Fish. |
* tommy_the-dragon | slaps zuu with a fish |
tommy_the-dragon | there ya go |
dazjorz | rindolf: I just registered 'sjors' |
* rindolf | gives a fish to Zuu |
dazjorz | rindolf: as a nick. |
Zuu | rindolf, thats just absurd, a reindeer with 'fish' as surname... |
Zuu | your parents must have hated you |
rindolf | Open source: "everyone contributes a fish, and in exchange everyone gets their own ocean." |
rindolf | dazjorz: ah, cool. |
Zuu | tommy_the-dragon, does dragons eat other animals, like fish? |
unreal | Ocean == Big Momma's Bath? |
rindolf | Zuu: I'm not a reindeer - I just play one on T.V. |
tommy_the-dragon | not fish... |
tommy_the-dragon | just reindeers |
Zuu | tommy_the-dragon, what about fake TV reindeers ? |
Zuu | Nice :D |
rindolf | unreal: no, the whole enchilada. |
rindolf | tommy_the-dragon: LOL. |
tommy_the-dragon | and enchiladas |
dazjorz | rindolf: I know someone whose nick is Stonehead, he made his three-letter acronym stn, but usually it's letters from the first name |
dazjorz | uh |
dazjorz | the full name |
dazjorz | yours could be shf for example, and everybody would know "hey, that's shlomi" |
dazjorz | but I'm at most sg, so I need to borrow another letter somewhere, or make it daz or just sjors |
* dazjorz | thinks |
tommy_the-dragon | my cat eats flies... |
rindolf | dazjorz: I hate these three letter acronyms. |
Zuu | shlomi really sounds like some dish made of reindeer |
tommy_the-dragon | but hes lucky because i dont eat cats |
rindolf | Zuu: heh. |
unreal | heh |
rindolf | tommy_the-dragon: I didn't know dragons had cats. |
dazjorz | what's the name of the red-nosed reindeer again? |
Zuu | it sounds edible at least |
dazjorz | oh rudolf :) |
rindolf | dazjorz: Randolph. |
dazjorz | oh |
unreal | I used to have a friend whos nick was "crap" |
rindolf | unreal: wow. |
dazjorz | <someguy> crap, someone stole my bicycle |
dazjorz | <crap> ok? |
rindolf | dazjorz: heh. |
dazjorz | rindolf: why don't you like the three-letter acronyms? |
rindolf | dazjorz: often too confusing. |
rindolf | dazjorz: and two easy to mistype. |
rindolf | dazjorz: and not too memorable. |
unreal | LIS. |
dazjorz | three easy to mistype, I think |
rindolf | And often hard to pronounce. |
dazjorz | maybe I'll just go with sjors |
rindolf | too easy. Freudian. |
rindolf | dazjorz: yes, I think that's a good idea. |
unreal | (Lies, I say!) |
dazjorz | hehe, rindolf++ # freudian |
Zuu | or you could pick something girly and hope people will treat you nicer :) |
rindolf | dazjorz: have you played with the farnsworth bot yet? |
rindolf | Zuu: RinGirl |
rindolf | Though nicks with "Girl " in them tend to draw too much attention. |
Zuu | nah, it cant contain 'girl' that just seems fake |
dazjorz | rindolf: I have |
dazjorz | rindolf: remind me to fix knotify, khtml, and quassel :( |
rindolf | dazjorz: nice. |
rindolf | dazjorz: using MemoServ? |
dazjorz | rindolf: the bugs annoy me, a lot, but I never get around to actually trying to fix them |
rindolf | Zuu: maybe I should call myself "shlomi". Americans will think I'm a girl. |
Zuu | yeah, it kinda have a girlish sound to it |
dazjorz | rindolf: call yourself shloma, dutch people will think you're over sixty and female |
rindolf | dazjorz: heh. |
dazjorz | let me rephase that |
dazjorz | dutch people will think you're female... and over sixty |
dazjorz | (oma = grandma) |
rindolf | dazjorz: ah. |
unreal | kloot. |
rindolf | In Hebrew nouns that end with "ah" tend to be feminine. |
dazjorz | shlomah? |
rindolf | Seriously now, if I change my nick it will be to shlomif. |
dazjorz | let's change our nicks at the same time |
rindolf | Well, in Shlomi's case it would be Shlomith. |
dazjorz | I will be sjors, you will be shlomif |
rindolf | dazjorz: OK. |
* rindolf | is now known as shlomif |
dazjorz | shit, now I have to |
Zuu | what does shlimif even mean ? |
* dazjorz | is now known as sjors |
sjors | Zuu: shlomi = his first name, f = the first letter of his last name |
shlomif | sjors: hi. |
shlomif | Zuu: shlomi fish. |
sjors | hi shlomif |
shlomif | Hi sjors |
tommy_the-dragon | where does rindolf come into it? |
shlomif | sjors: my nick is longer than yours. |
Zuu | oh lol, and i just said his name sound girly :P |
* Zuu | pat pats shlomif ^^ |
shlomif | tommy_the-dragon: Rindolf was a dwarven warrior I played in AD&D. |
tommy_the-dragon | ahh ok |
* shlomif | gives Zuu his tomato back. |
Zuu | :< |
shlomif | Since I'm no longer a reindeer. |
sjors | shlomif: that's just to compensate against something you have that's way shorter than mine |
shlomif | sjors: LOL. |
shlomif | sjors++ |
Zuu | Erhmm.. shlomif! how come there's this big hole in it? |
tommy_the-dragon | sorry... |
tommy_the-dragon | my bad |
Zuu | Hehe |
* shlomif | doesn't like raw tomatoes. |
shlomif | But I eat them with pasta, etc. |
shlomif | Or as meat sauce. |
Zuu | or in sandwiches |
shlomif | sjors: anyway, welcome to ##programming |
Zuu | or on reindeer nose |
shlomif | sjors: I'll probably revert to "rindolf" after next disconnect. |
shlomif | Zuu: after you cook the entire reindeer. |
* shlomif | is a reindeer cannibal. |
shlomif | Well, rindolf is. |
Zuu | yes, but he ran away |
shlomif | I also like dried and olive oiled tomatoes. |
sjors | shlomif: I just changed my clients' settings to reconnect as sjors, too |
shlomif | Well, I think I'll go to sleep. |
shlomif | sjors: ah. |
sjors | shlomif: it'll probably take a while to "adapt" to sjors instead of dazjorz |
shlomif | sjors: well, enjoy your new nick. |
sjors | and I still have dazjorz.com, and not sjors.anything |
* Zuu | tugs shlomif in |
sjors | thanks ;) |
shlomif | Zuu: thanks. |
* Zuu | quicly squeeses a fresh tomato onto shlomif's nose |
sjors | shlomif: sjors.biz and sjors.mobi at most |
* shlomif | doesn't have rindolf.{com,org,net} etc. |
shlomif | sjors: maybe sjors.in |
shlomif | I got a shlom.in |
sjors | sjors.indahou.se |
shlomif | sjors: heh. |
sjors | sjors.ac, sjors.ag, sjors.am, sjors.at |
sjors | hehe sjors.me |
sjors | sjors.pl, too bad i don't really do perl anymore |
shlomif | sjors: there's also .sh |
sjors | sjors.sh, too bad I don't really do shell script a lot |
shlomif | Or .im |
sjors | sjors.tv, too bad I don't really watch.. |
tommy_the-dragon | do you own a mobile? |
shlomif | .tv are pretty costly. |
sjors | meh I don't like sjors. anyway, so I'll just keep dazjorz for everything |
tommy_the-dragon | yeah whats with that (the price of .tv)? |
shlomif | tommy_the-dragon: it's the foundation of the economy of Tuvaly. |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Reindeers, Tomatoes and Normalising Nicks |
SNAFU Cake
* rindolf | tries to think what can cause the KDE 4 SNAFU on his user. |
rindolf | And hopefully to avoid bissecting the KDE 4 config tree. |
Zuu | snafu... that wounds like a delicious cake :D |
Zuu | *sounds |
rindolf | Zuu: Situation Normal - All F****ed up. |
Zuu | :/ |
* Zuu | gives the snafu cake to Dmage :D |
Zuu | Dmage, just eat the cake already |
Dmage | Zuu, are you hate my english? ;) |
Zuu | i hate your non-english |
Black_Phoenix | I english your hate |
Dmage | xD |
Zuu | Dmage, but i dont hate you! :D |
Black_Phoenix | and now I can do that |
Dmage | Zuu, learn russian then! :) |
Zuu | Hehe |
Zuu | Dmage, i think you'd hate my russion far more than i would ever hate your english |
rindolf | Spasiva. |
Dmage | xD |
Dmage | learn 'Eto huinya!' |
* Zuu | steals the snafu cake back from Dmage and gives it to rindolf instead |
Dmage | and apply everywhere |
* rindolf | eats the SNAFU cake |
Zuu | :D |
* rindolf | eats Zuu's Danish too. |
Zuu | Noooh! |
* rindolf | loves Zuu's Danish. |
rindolf | Yum yum. |
Zuu | tis mine! |
Zuu | My daaaanish :'( |
rindolf | My precioussssssssss! |
Zuu | tis gone :< |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | SNAFU Cake |
What is Qantor?
rindolf | What should I do now? |
rindolf | I'll work on Text-Qantor. |
rindolf | It's so great not to have a job. |
Zuu | yeah, if someone else pays for the food it sure is :D |
Zuu | also, i dont really understand much of what you just told me :P |
* Zuu | puts a stick into the Text-Qantor |
rindolf | Zuu: Qantor == Qantor ain't no TeX/Troff oh really. |
rindolf | It's a typesetting system I'm working on. |
* Zuu | hates the name |
Zuu | it makes me kinda mad actually :/ |
rindolf | Zuu: :-) |
rindolf | Zuu: maybe it will grow on you. |
rindolf | Zuu: some people I know named a browser suckass. |
Zuu | :( |
rindolf | I refused to work on it. |
Zuu | see that's a name! |
rindolf | Zuu: heh. |
Zuu | i didnt mean that btw :) |
Zuu | suckass is kinda... unkind |
rindolf | OK, now I should write an http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/bits/facts/XSLT/ transformation. |
rindolf | I'll start from something I already have. |
Zuu | But the "X ain't no <something related>" is just a lame naming convention imho |
Zuu | yeah, work on some XSLT facts :D |
rindolf | Zuu: just call it Qantor then. |
rindolf | Without the mnemonics. |
Zuu | but anyone interrested will learn that it's an abbreviation |
Zuu | just by the fact that it's recursive makes me want to kill myself a little bit more :P |
rindolf | Zuu: do me a break and kill yourself. |
Zuu | :> |
rindolf | Less Zuus - more grass for evil reindeers like me to feed on. |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | What is Qantor? |
Turing Hard
rindolf | Pythack now was able to get the fc-solve test suite up and running. |
Zuu | eh?! |
* Zuu | solves rindolf |
rindolf | Zuu: http://fc-solve.berlios.de/ |
rindolf | Zuu: I am not solvable. |
rindolf | I am Turing hard. |
Zuu | :S |
* Zuu | never heard of anything called 'turing hard' |
joeyadams | lol. Zuu's probabilistic, so maybe he can solve you. |
Zuu | but i guess i have now |
joeyadams | Formal definition of Turing hard: blah blah blah hard blah blah Turing blah. |
Zuu | Hahahaha :D |
joeyadams | Wikipedia: Given a set X in P(N), a set A in N is called Turing hard for X if X <=_T A for all X in X. If additionally A is in X, then A is called Turing complete for X. |
joeyadams | Does that clarify? |
joeyadams | (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_reduction for the actual math symbols) |
* joeyadams | assumes you get the point |
Zuu | yeah, i think i'll have to put significant time into that, for me to comprehend it :) |
Zuu | but maybe i will, some day :P |
joeyadams | My point is that people like to use mumbo jumbo to describe more concise mumbo jumbo. |
joeyadams | E.g. A problem is NP-hard if it is at least as hard as all the problems in NP. |
Zuu | i undersstand enough of it, to be fairly confident that rindolf being turing hard, will not say much about his ability to be solved |
joeyadams | I'm guessing Turing-hard means you can't solve a problem with a Turing machine (e.g. the halting problem) |
joeyadams | (substitute Turing machine with "your computer" :) ) |
Zuu | no, turing hard has something to do with expressiveness |
joeyadams | okay, Zuu > joeyadams, so I can't help you :) |
* Zuu | tickles joeyadams ^^ |
joeyadams | A delicious apple is any fruit ∈ apple that is at least as tasty as any other fruit ∈ apple. |
joeyadams | In other words, apples are in the set of recursively nommable fruits. |
rindolf | joeyadams: what's up? |
joeyadams | I'm babbling. |
rindolf | joeyadams: Apple is one of my least favourite fruits. |
* Zuu | watches a number of apples that recursively NOM's eathother |
rindolf | It tends to be too commonplace. |
rindolf | Or simpleton. |
joeyadams | whoops, my logic is incorrect |
joeyadams | Only delicious apples are ∈ the nommable fruits. |
joeyadams | (recursively is just a word you throw in to sound smart) |
* Zuu | NOMs joeyadams :> |
rindolf | joeyadams: a friend of one of my sisters said that Apple is his favourite fruit. |
rindolf | Ta-zuu! |
* joeyadams | has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection nommed by peer)) |
Zuu | yeah, unfortunately a lot of people throw with a lot of words to sound smart :/ |
Zuu | my favourite fruit is a recursive banana! |
joeyadams | although it certainly helps to use complex terminology to solve complex problems. As Aristophanes said, "High thoughts must have high language." |
Zuu | .. along with immutable polymorphic pears |
joeyadams | Zuu> I guess you have to peel it indefinitely? |
joeyadams | lol |
Zuu | Hahah, yeah :P |
joeyadams | I tend to eat bananas in deterministic polynomial time. |
Zuu | i eat them in linear time, but uses exponential space |
joeyadams | lol |
rindolf | Heh. |
joeyadams | eww |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Turing Hard |
The Ultimate ##programming Showdown
→ecere | has joined ##programming |
ljuwaidah | yo ecere!! |
Zuu | yay, life :) |
* Zuu | tickles ljuwaidah |
* ljuwaidah | punches zuu in the face |
* Zuu | starts crying :'( |
rindolf | Fight! |
rindolf | Fight! Fight! |
* Zuu | runs home to mommy |
rindolf | Let's get ready to rumble!!! |
* ljuwaidah | punches rindolf in the face |
ljuwaidah | for encouraging the fight, that is |
Zuu | hehe |
* rindolf | uses his Evil Antlers to summon a squadron of Chuck Norrises. |
Zuu | oh my! |
* rindolf | unleashes the Chuck Norrises upon ljuwaidah |
* ljuwaidah | uses his anti-chuck-norrise spell |
Zuu | those anterls must be the most evil thing in the entire universe |
Zuu | *antlers |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: your spell only works on one chuck norris at a day. |
rindolf | And I have 119 more. |
rindolf | Finish him! |
Zuu | i wonder what will happen if one Chuck Norris accidently punches another |
ljuwaidah | rindolf: then lemme use my duplication spell to make more of myself so THEY can use the spell |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: heh. |
rindolf | ljuwaidah++ |
ljuwaidah | thanks :D |
rindolf | ljuwaidah: two can play this game. |
* rindolf | runs his recursive copying spell making lots of Evil rindolf reindeers exponentially. |
rindolf | Like Bacteria. |
ljuwaidah | darn! i didn't see that coming |
ljuwaidah | but you also forgot that if _I_ can duplicate myself then so can my duplicates B-) |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | The Ultimate ##programming Showdown |
ispy Emulating a Clueless Newbie
→ispy_ | has joined ##programming |
ispy_ | hi gang. |
ispy_ | I'm a n00b programmer and think I should learn A and B before C, right? |
std_orb | ispy_: General understanding should come before that. |
ispy_ | std_orb: I have no idea what I'm doing... |
std_orb | ispy_: I can see that |
* ispy_ | kicks the dirt... |
tommy_the-dragon | ive been meaning to get into it |
ispy_ | Is C like JavaScript? |
ispy_ | Same thing right? |
tommy_the-dragon | ispy_: lol |
rindolf | ispy_: Perl is more like C than JS is. |
ispy_ | rindolf: Never heard of Perl... I should google that. |
rindolf | ispy_: use Bing search instead. |
rindolf | Or Altavista. |
Terminus | rindolf: i see. |
ispy_ | rindolf, std_orb, tommy_the-dragon ... thanks for the pointers :) |
rindolf | ispy_: you should learn Intercal, it's the most expressive language possible. |
ispy_ | rindolf: Sounds exciting! |
Terminus | intercal... lol! |
ispy_ | haha |
ispy_ | ok ok ok... I can't continue this... I'm practically laughing my ass off at my desk. |
rindolf | :-) |
ispy_ | hehe |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Emulating a Clueless Newbie |
What kind of animal is Zuu?
Zuu | Hai all |
rindolf | Zuu: hai hai. |
rindolf | Zuu: what's up , kit? |
rindolf | Zuu: or what are you , I forgot? |
Zuu | Hai rindolf :D |
rindolf | I am a reindeer. |
rindolf | But also a Llama. |
rindolf | And a cat. |
Zuu | I'm a Zuu |
rindolf | And a fish naturally. |
rindolf | Zuu: ah , OK. |
Zuu | :D |
* rindolf | creates a Zoo of Zuus |
Zuu | ^^ |
rindolf | Are you the master Zuu? |
rindolf | Like Q is the master of the Q's in Star Trek? |
Zuu | i think im the only Zuu |
rindolf | Oh, one of a kind. |
Zuu | Which is kinda sad really :( |
Zuu | Who am i supposed to mate with? |
rindolf | Reminds me of http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml |
rindolf | Though I need to add that part. |
rindolf | Let me do it now. |
Zuu | whatever webserver you use, it doesnt provide the right mimetype... At least IE 8 dont attempt to render the document |
rindolf | Zuu: you cannot using IE 8 |
rindolf | Zuu: you need Firefox. |
rindolf | Zuu: it's application/xml+xhtml |
rindolf | Or Opera. |
Zuu | well, it indeed is the right mimetype... stupid IE |
Zuu | well, my FF crashed, so i just use IE when that happens |
rindolf | Zuu: ah. |
rindolf | FF crashed? |
rindolf | How strange. |
rindolf | Maybe you have a bad plugin. |
Zuu | It does that around 6 times a day |
rindolf | Not an extension - a plugin. |
rindolf | Ah, really. |
rindolf | Something is wrong in the Zuuniverse. |
rindolf | Or Zuumputer. |
Zuu | nah, i suspect one of the tabs are just doing some strange stuff |
Zuu | memory leaking javascript ro something like that |
Zuu | it is kinda starting to annoy me |
Zuu | but with 90 - 120 tabs, it would take quite a while to find out what tab it is |
Zuu | you might consider starting your articles, or whatever this is, with an introduction telling what it's about |
rindolf | Zuu: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#the-angry-demon |
rindolf | Zuu: it's not an article - these are random ideas for a screenplay. |
rindolf | Zuu: but I'll write an intro. |
Zuu | start the page with "Here are some of my random ideas for a screen play im writing:" |
Zuu | at LEAST! |
Zuu | you cant just jump right into something without giving _any_ indication ow what the reader can expect |
Zuu | it simply doesnt make any sense as it is now |
Zuu | you could just as well have posted a log of ljuwidah talking :P |
rindolf | Zuu: thanks. |
Zuu | :) |
rindolf | Zuu: http://www.shlomifish.org/humour/Blue-Rabbit-Log/ideas.xhtml#intro |
rindolf | Interactive Web! |
Zuu | i think you have forgottoen to define the #intro anchor |
rindolf | Zuu: reload. |
rindolf | Zuu: it's there. |
Zuu | hah, caches... :P |
Zuu | :D |
rindolf | Pesky things. |
rindolf | Evil reindeers don't like caches. |
rindolf | Neither do cats. |
rindolf | I'm an evil reindeer but a good cat. |
Zuu | Hehe |
rindolf | Don't know how it works. |
rindolf | I guess good and evil are relative. |
rindolf | Or actually I wore a helmet of alignment change. |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | What kind of animal is a Zuu? |
Meaning of the Zuu species
Zuu | Hi rindolf :) |
rindolf | Hi Zuu |
rindolf | Zuu: I've been thinking that maybe you can find some corresponding Zuus of the appropriate sex in a different dimension. |
Zuu | hmmm... interresting! |
rindolf | Zuu: are you a heterosexual Zuu or a homosexual one? |
Zuu | Im not sure what sex I am. |
rindolf | Zuu: ah. |
Zuu | :P |
rindolf | Zuu: you can look. |
rindolf | Zuu: in the mirror or something. |
rindolf | Zuu: don't you have obligatory genders in Danish/ |
rindolf | ? |
rindolf | Like in German, French, etc. |
rindolf | Or Hebrew and Arabic. |
Zuu | obligatory genders? |
Zuu | you mean, the genders in linguistics? |
* Zuu | never understood those |
Zuu | but Danish have two i believe, and if i remember correctly there is female and 'none' |
rindolf | Zuu: yes, genders in linguistics. |
Zuu | i dont remember what which is which though :P |
rindolf | Like in Hebrew "Haben Halakh lagan" - the boy went to the garden. "Habath Halkha lagan" - "The girl went to the garden" |
c_sphere | That almost sounds like allah akbar |
Zuu | rindolf, no we dont distinct between the genders of the subject in the danish language |
Zuu | our nouns have genders though |
c_sphere | zuu-nina? |
Zuu | like 'house' is one gender and 'car' is another |
rindolf | Zuu: of course the question is - what language do Zuus speak natively? |
c_sphere | rindolf: Of course, Zuu speaks Zuu! |
rindolf | Zuuish? |
c_sphere | The Zulu population also does not speak Zuluish, just Zulu. |
Zuu | so if you want to say 'the house' its 'huse_t_' and if you want to say 'the car' its 'bile_n_' |
rindolf | c_sphere: Arnavoth (sounds like an Aztec god) is "Hares" (the Rabbit-like mammal) in Hebrew. |
rindolf | Zuu: can you understand Swedish? |
c_sphere | Aemeth |
Zuu | rindolf, some :) |
rindolf | Zuu: ah. |
Zuu | swedish branched from danish afaik |
Zuu | same with norwegian |
Zuu | yes, Zuu's speak Zuuish nativley :P |
* rindolf | is listening to Hans Zimmer - Jack Sparrow |
rindolf | Zuu: ah. |
Zuu | Zuuish have few words, all of which is based on words about cake from othre languages :P |
Zuu | c_sphere, are you by any chance related to s_cube ? |
rindolf | Zuu: ah, what do you use the Hebrew word "עוגיה" (= `ugiyah, cookie) for? |
rindolf | "Chocolate chip pie crust marmalade marzipan cookie yum yum!" |
Zuu | i use it for cookies baked from a hebrew recipe :P |
rindolf | What does it mean in Zuuish? |
Zuu | it's hard to really say something in Zuuish... al you can really do is say something equivalent to "COOKIES!!" |
Zuu | or "YAY CAKE!" |
Zuu | basically, you can only express excitement over different kinds of cakes :P |
rindolf | Zuu: do Zuus eat anything except cakes or cookies? |
Zuu | There was this one time... |
Zuu | wait.. no. That was someone else. |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | What can a Zuu do? |
##programming about Real Programmers
rindolf | Chekov: I disagere with what ESR says in TAOUP that you shouldn't apply factor optimisations. I think they can make a very large difference. |
rindolf | Chekov: he seems to imply you should wait until computers are fast enough. |
rindolf | Problem is people don't want to upgrade and if a competing program (maybe a fork ) is much faster, then some of them will switch. |
rindolf | Programs being speedy is one thing that makes me happy. |
rindolf | I love all the work the KDE people did in making KDE-4.6.0 fast. |
vanguard | rindolf: awesome blog link! |
rindolf | And I enjoy the fact that Pidgin is much faster than Kopete (and also less buggy). |
rindolf | I've used Kopete for far too long. |
osoleve | rindolf: switch to Irssi and Bitlbee! :D |
rindolf | vanguard: yes. |
rindolf | vanguard: though they failed on Google Wave. |
rindolf | osoleve: nah, I like Pidgin. |
rindolf | osoleve: it's fast enough for me. |
rindolf | osoleve: and I also prefer XChat. |
osoleve | but is it nerdy enough? |
rindolf | osoleve: I'm not trying to be a Ubergeek. |
rindolf | osoleve: real men use Xmonad! |
vanguard | Hey, it is not Uber but Über ... :D |
rindolf | real programmers use butterflies. |
Chekov | real programmers are Tao |
osoleve | real programmers flip bits by hand |
Chekov | real programmers speak assembly |
rindolf | Chuck Norris is a real programmer who implements the most optimised machines for solving a problem out of physical atoms. |
vanguard | real programmers use a nice editor and a programming language and get done in less than O(N!) |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Real Programmers |
Semicolons
wes_ | tell me how can u print a message without using a semicolon in the printg statement |
rindolf | wes_: in C? |
rindolf | wes_: do you mean the printf(...) statement? |
wes_ | yes |
rindolf | wes_: you cannot without using macros I think. |
rindolf | wes_: and don't use macros for that. |
wes_ | i mean without using a semicolon at the printf statement but you have to use printf only |
rindolf | wes_: why would you want to do that? |
rindolf | wes_: what do you have against semicolons? |
rindolf | Some of my best friends are semicolons. |
lulzfish_4 | semicolons got me where I am today man |
rindolf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semicolon |
rindolf | lulzfish_4: heh. |
rindolf | "I owe it all to semicolons." |
amigojapan | hey rindolf lulzfish_4 |
rindolf | Hi amigojapan |
rindolf | amigojapan: what's up? |
* rindolf | gives a semicolon to amigojapan |
* amigojapan | returns a whitespace to rindolf |
rindolf | amigojapan: that's not fair trade. |
rindolf | But I'll treasure the whitespace. |
amigojapan | rindolf: a whitespace is just as valuable as a semicolon in python :) |
rindolf | amigojapan: aren't semicolons optional in Py? |
amigojapan | rindolf: I think they are |
amigojapan | rindolf: actually, a whitespace can be as valuable as 2 curly braces :) |
rindolf | amigojapan: heh. |
rindolf | amigojapan: you need 4 spaces to distinguish stuff properly. |
amigojapan | rindolf: one thing I never got about python is why they need the : after if and for statements.... |
* PythonSnake | gives a colon to rindolf |
PythonSnake | :) |
amigojapan | rindolf: actually, I preffer using tabs to 4 spacess... |
rindolf | PythonSnake: thanks for the colon. |
PythonSnake | rindolf: lol |
rindolf | PythonSnake: I'll give you a « and a » in exchange. |
PythonSnake | lol |
amigojapan | rindolf: the fact that you dont have a rule to how much white space you must use to indent in python, I think is a bad thing... |
* PythonSnake | finds a interrobang |
PythonSnake | :) |
amigojapan | rindolf: if it is 4 spaces then fine, but make it a rule so it is consistent |
GeDaMo | ‽ |
PythonSnake | lol |
PythonSnake | ‽ |
PythonSnake | ∴ |
PythonSnake | ‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡‡ |
rindolf | ¿ |
PythonSnake | ₳ ฿ ₵ ¢ ₡ ₢ ₠ $ ₫ ৳ ₯ € ƒ ₣ ₲ ₴ ₭ ℳ ₥ ₦ ₧ ₱ ₰ |
PythonSnake | :) |
amigojapan | rindolf: oh, now you are speaking spanish |
rindolf | amigojapan: :-) |
PythonSnake | all: :) |
rindolf | ¡I am! |
amigojapan | うるさいよ 文字化け |
PythonSnake | Jag förvrängd bullriga |
PythonSnake | איך גאַרבאַלד טומלדיק |
PythonSnake | :) |
amigojapan | ah, hebrew |
amigojapan | hir something.... |
PythonSnake | º, ª |
amigojapan | man, I forgot how to read hebrew |
rindolf | amigojapan: איך גאַרבאַלד טומלדיק seems like Yiddish. |
amigojapan | rindolf: ah, ok.... can you change it into roman letters for me? |
rindolf | amigojapan: Ich Garbald Tomldiq. |
amigojapan | ich would be I |
amigojapan | I think I only know curse words in yuddish :P |
PythonSnake | ich bin masaru |
lulzfish_4 | ich bin ein berlinner |
* rindolf | is eating watermelon. |
amigojapan | rindolf: save a piece for me :) |
rindolf | amigojapan: I'll save a semicolon for you. |
PiX3L | rindolf: For me too. :) |
amigojapan | rindolf: a semicolon looks alot like twso pits of a watermellon |
* amigojapan | steals PiX3L 's piece |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Give Your Friend a Semicolon Today |
Calculator
Endiannes | vinleod, Yes, he wants to find a solution which yields a point 10 units away, your solution yields a point, exactly 7.66044 units away |
Endiannes | vinleod, Oh wait |
Endiannes | vinleod, I'm an idiot, didnt factor out cos |
Endiannes | vinleod, Yes you're right. |
* Endiannes | kicks calculator |
vinleod | hehe, I was in the process of writing a python script to prove it. |
* speedrunnerG55 | picks up Endianness calculator |
speedrunnerG55 | NEVER KICK YOUR CALCULATOR |
CryWolf | Kicking your calculator is a sin |
Endiannes | At least its not a cos. |
vinleod | but you should at least get a tan |
rindolf | Heh. |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | Calculator |
The Universal Die
monsterwizard | Ok so I know javascript, php, perl in some detail. However, I want to become good at one. I was thinking Perl? |
rindolf | monsterwizard: roll a die. |
monsterwizard | rindolf the die showed a 7 :S |
rindolf | monsterwizard: heh. |
hmm | lol |
rindolf | monsterwizard: strange die. |
hmm | throw away the die |
* rindolf | throws the die at hmm |
* hmm | catches |
rindolf | die, die, die! |
* hmm | wants to live |
rindolf | hmm: but the die wants to die. |
rindolf | Take it out of its misery. |
hmm | who knows, even the die isn't ready to die |
rindolf | hmm: dice should be diced. |
rindolf | dice on ice. |
hmm | yeah, go dice the dice |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | The Universal Die |
I Wannt Be a Hacker
* hackerhackingcan | (~hackingca@117.202.19.189) has joined ##programming |
hackerhackingcan | Hi friends |
hackerhackingcan | I am also new to hacking |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: hi. |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: I hope you mean software development - not computer intrusion. |
hackerhackingcan | what means intrusion? |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: it means breaking into other people's systems. |
hackerhackingcan | I want to hack the internet websites like google and facebook |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: hack? |
hackerhackingcan | can you help please? |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: hack into? |
hackerhackingcan | yes I am new but I will try and learn |
hackerhackingcan | but can you help me rindolf? |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: we won't help you break into systems. |
pkkm | wut? hack into google? |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: with what? |
hackerhackingcan | hack into facebook google and internet |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: we build systems - not break them. |
hackerhackingcan | please? |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: http://catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/script-kiddie.html |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: if you want to learn how to program, we can help you. |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: but trying to break into computer systems will only get you in trouble. |
hackerhackingcan | I can do programming in html |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: HTML is not a programming language. |
hackerhackingcan | is that enough for hacking? |
vinleod | hackerhackingcan: There's no such things as programming in HTML. |
hackerhackingcan | I can also do hacks in cmd |
vinleod | Ah, a script kiddie. |
hackerhackingcan | what you mean by scrpt kiddie? |
hackerhackingcan | ok now I know |
hackerhackingcan | you all dont want other people to know about hacking |
hackerhackingcan | so you say like this |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Script_kiddie |
hackerhackingcan | so you abused me by calling me script kiddie? |
hackerhackingcan | When I become a good hacker I will hack you also |
vinleod | hackerhackingcan: Good luck with that. bye bye. |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: OK, you have been warned. |
hackerhackingcan | why warn? |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: try hacking into the IP address 127.0.0.1 |
vinleod | hackerhackingcan: I bet you can't log into that computer and delete all of its files. |
luke_c | hackerhackingscan: After that, try to DDOS 192.168.1.1 |
hackerhackingcan | is 127.0.0.1 your ip? |
Ethelim | why'd you give him my iP ffs? |
Ethelim | don't try it, you wouldn't get in anyway. I have it locked down tightly |
vinleod | hackerhackingcan: So, here's the situation. We don't condone illegal activity. We don't suggest that people attempt illegal activity. We don't like people who do illegal activity. We a programmers. We like to write programs. We like to solve interesting problems. We like to solve interesting puzzles. |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: if you haven't noticed, I've become op. |
rindolf | hackerhackingcan: and I can /kick you and /kickban you. |
vinleod | hackerhackingcan: Now, if you'd like be a good, productive member of society and learn to program, we can help with that, but we won't spoon feed you either. |
hackerhackingcan | hahah whose is this ip 192.168.1.1? Your password is admin haha |
Ethelim | is he for real? |
vinleod | Ethelim: I doubt it. |
hackerhackingcan | 192.168.1.1 I am changing your password then call me kid |
rindolf | Ethelim: he seems like a bad troll. |
rindolf | But an amusing one. |
jrslepak | rindolf: depends on how many times you've heard the joke in the recent past |
Ethelim | dude, you wouldn't get in there. And even if you did all you'd be able to do is reset the guy's connection |
hackerhackingcan | I will reset it |
* Ethelim | waits for "someone's" closed connection |
mst | "Quit: Leaving" |
vinleod | I saw that coming a mile away/ |
JabbaWokiee | lol |
mst | not an actual fell-off-the-internet |
mst | reasonable exit though |
mst | oh, and now he's back with a new nick |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | From HTML to Hacking Google in Ten Easy Steps |
/dev/null is webscale.
oilio | so what the point of hashes, can't we just use void pointers to key/val ? |
rindolf | oilio: hashes as in hash tables? |
oilio | yes |
rindolf | oilio: OK. |
rindolf | oilio: they are one way to efficiently implement the dictionary Abstract Data Type (ADT). |
rindolf | oilio: a hash table can store more than one key , value pair. |
oilio | yeah, I read about it in the wikipedia |
rindolf | oilio: and you can lookup a value based on a key efficiently. |
arubin | Linear search is good enough for everyone. |
oilio | indolf: what if the hole table wont fit in the memory? |
oilio | RAM |
arubin | Swap. |
arubin | Amazon S3. |
imlearningyacc | well if no ram and no swap no allocation |
arubin | We have the whole Internet for our tables. |
imlearningyacc | well |
diminoten | ask reddit how that worked out |
arubin | And remember, /dev/null is web-scale. |
imlearningyacc | yea, I store all my data in /dev/null |
rindolf | oilio: then you'll need to use a more sophisticated (and slower) data structure that can offload to disk. |
arubin | It is really fast. |
arubin | I use the Boost libraries for /dev/null too. |
arubin | And I use async writes to /dev/null. |
rindolf | arubin: heh. |
diminoten | don't want to get into resource contention when using /dev/null |
* rindolf | uses /dev/null for backups. |
diminoten | only so much null to go around |
Channel | ##programming |
Network | Freenode |
Tagline | /dev/null - the ultra-fast solution for all your storage needs. |